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Anyway, after the proposal (which doesn't appear to be going anywhere with Scarborough), the NYT's new public editor Margaret Sullivan weighed in with a lashing of Silver that really makes no sense. But whatever the motivation behind it, the wager offer is a bad idea – giving ammunition to the critics who .... Hot: LinkedIn; In your network. Europe's Manufacturing Downturn Is Only Getting Worse · China Is Building A Huge Eco-City Where No One Will Need To Drive ...
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Silver, the stats-driven political analyst who blogs at the New York Times, offered the MSNBC host a $1,000 bet on the election. Silver's model gives Obama overwhelming odds of winning, whereas Joe Scarborough has criticized Silver, and says it's a pure tossup.
Anyway, after the proposal (which doesn't appear to be going anywhere with Scarborough), the NYT's new public editor Margaret Sullivan weighed in witha lashing of Silver that really makes no sense.
But whatever the motivation behind it, the wager offer is a bad idea – giving ammunition to the critics who want to paint Mr. Silver as a partisan who is trying to sway the outcome.
It’s also inappropriate for a Times journalist, which is how Mr. Silver is seen by the public even though he’s not a regular staff member.
“I wouldn’t want to see it become newsroom practice,” said the associate managing editor for standards, Philip B. Corbett. He described Mr. Silver’s status as a blogger — something like a columnist — as a mitigating factor.
First of all, the wager DOESN'T give ammunition to Silver's critics who think he is trying to sway the outcome. It's a bet that will have zero bearing on the outcome nor could it. It's also refreshing (and part of the reason people like Silver) to see people willing to put something on the line, rather than just speak words that have no bearing on anything.
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Romney was eaten alive for offering Rick Perry a bet on the debate stage ostensibly because he displayed insensitivity to the current state of the economy.
The steward of said economy and the real perpetrator, Obama, is not to blame. It's the man betting with his own money in public and not the man betting with the public's money on reckless ventures like Solendra. It's not the man who's rhetoric can directly be linked to levels of economic activity in this battered economy.
1 2 Flag as Offensive black swan What are these? Strikes! Earn three of them in a month, and you'll be sent to the Penalty Box for 24 hours. How do you earn strikes? Write comments that our editors kick to the Bleachers. Want to get rid of the strikes and start fresh? Write excellent comments that our editors promote to the Board Room. on Nov 2, 7:52 AM said:
"Finally, Obama has lost considerable support among two groups of likely voters: whites and seniors. In 2008, Obama trailed among white voters by 12% over McCain. This election, it’s 20%. It’s even worse among voters over 65. Obama trailed seniors 8 percent in 2008 and lags 19 percent today, according to the Pew poll. Obama has overwhelming support among black voters, but turnout is expected to drop to 59 percent this year, compared to the record breaking 65% in the last election. Among more unlikely voters ages 18-29, Obama has lost 13% of his margin since 2008, and can expect a much lower turnout to boot."
It'd be great if opinions (i.e. this whole post) weren't thrown out there like facts. Sullivan is a broad-sheet journalist. Wiesenthal appreciates the tabloid approach.
Of course it gives his critics more ammo and your emphatic and emotional denial illistrates what is wrong with your posts and with BI. You don't give much thought, no analysis and there is no professional editor in your organization to give your posts any review.
Ironically, the problem with your posts is the very reason I keep BI on my RSS feed. Because BI gives so little thought before posting an article, you get it out first. Usually wrong, full of emotion and biased to the DNC talking point of the day, but BI can copy and paste a quote or data point faster than anyone.
Is that really what you want? "We put out crap, but we put it out faster and in greater volume than anyone". Where are the professional jounalism standards?
more like Silver, the political-driven stats analyst . what kind of object analyst bets on things which are held in the absolute center of the margin of error within 1/4 of a standard deviation. That's worse than roulette. I don't think anyone is able to take the samples within 2-3 points and glean anything. One small idiosyncracy in the methodogy and the whole thing blows up. Calling people at home, during the day on land lines during a contentious election - there is definitely something out there that no one knows, that no one will ever know which is causing these to be moved one way or the other through imperfect sampling, especially in election weary Ohio and some other swing sates.
It seems to be a common response when a statistically driven prediction disagrees with preconceived notions that people challenge not the method, but rather the messenger. Nate's very open about his methodology, and it's replicable. He's very open about how he get's his results and how he weights demonstrated biases based on actual performance. I'm not sure why someone would say his approach hasn't been tested, he started this in 2007, and predicted 49 out of 50 states correctly, missing Indiana, and was 35 for 35 in predicting Senate races.
I know this won't stop attacks, it's very difficult for people to adjust their preconceived notions when faced with evidence to the contrary, but we'll see what happens next week.
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Anyway, after the proposal (which doesn't appear to be going anywhere with Scarborough), the NYT's new public editor Margaret Sullivan weighed in witha lashing of Silver that really makes no sense.
But whatever the motivation behind it, the wager offer is a bad idea – giving ammunition to the critics who want to paint Mr. Silver as a partisan who is trying to sway the outcome.
It’s also inappropriate for a Times journalist, which is how Mr. Silver is seen by the public even though he’s not a regular staff member.
“I wouldn’t want to see it become newsroom practice,” said the associate managing editor for standards, Philip B. Corbett. He described Mr. Silver’s status as a blogger — something like a columnist — as a mitigating factor.
First of all, the wager DOESN'T give ammunition to Silver's critics who think he is trying to sway the outcome. It's a bet that will have zero bearing on the outcome nor could it. It's also refreshing (and part of the reason people like Silver) to see people willing to put something on the line, rather than just speak words that have no bearing on anything.
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3 2 Flag as Offensive spmsnk What are these? Strikes! Earn three of them in a month, and you'll be sent to the Penalty Box for 24 hours. How do you earn strikes? Write comments that our editors kick to the Bleachers. Want to get rid of the strikes and start fresh? Write excellent comments that our editors promote to the Board Room. on Nov 2, 7:22 AM said:
Romney was eaten alive for offering Rick Perry a bet on the debate stage ostensibly because he displayed insensitivity to the current state of the economy.
The steward of said economy and the real perpetrator, Obama, is not to blame. It's the man betting with his own money in public and not the man betting with the public's money on reckless ventures like Solendra. It's not the man who's rhetoric can directly be linked to levels of economic activity in this battered economy.
1 2 Flag as Offensive black swan What are these? Strikes! Earn three of them in a month, and you'll be sent to the Penalty Box for 24 hours. How do you earn strikes? Write comments that our editors kick to the Bleachers. Want to get rid of the strikes and start fresh? Write excellent comments that our editors promote to the Board Room. on Nov 2, 7:52 AM said:
"Finally, Obama has lost considerable support among two groups of likely voters: whites and seniors. In 2008, Obama trailed among white voters by 12% over McCain. This election, it’s 20%. It’s even worse among voters over 65. Obama trailed seniors 8 percent in 2008 and lags 19 percent today, according to the Pew poll. Obama has overwhelming support among black voters, but turnout is expected to drop to 59 percent this year, compared to the record breaking 65% in the last election. Among more unlikely voters ages 18-29, Obama has lost 13% of his margin since 2008, and can expect a much lower turnout to boot."
It'd be great if opinions (i.e. this whole post) weren't thrown out there like facts. Sullivan is a broad-sheet journalist. Wiesenthal appreciates the tabloid approach.
Of course it gives his critics more ammo and your emphatic and emotional denial illistrates what is wrong with your posts and with BI. You don't give much thought, no analysis and there is no professional editor in your organization to give your posts any review.
Ironically, the problem with your posts is the very reason I keep BI on my RSS feed. Because BI gives so little thought before posting an article, you get it out first. Usually wrong, full of emotion and biased to the DNC talking point of the day, but BI can copy and paste a quote or data point faster than anyone.
Is that really what you want? "We put out crap, but we put it out faster and in greater volume than anyone". Where are the professional jounalism standards?
more like Silver, the political-driven stats analyst . what kind of object analyst bets on things which are held in the absolute center of the margin of error within 1/4 of a standard deviation. That's worse than roulette. I don't think anyone is able to take the samples within 2-3 points and glean anything. One small idiosyncracy in the methodogy and the whole thing blows up. Calling people at home, during the day on land lines during a contentious election - there is definitely something out there that no one knows, that no one will ever know which is causing these to be moved one way or the other through imperfect sampling, especially in election weary Ohio and some other swing sates.
It seems to be a common response when a statistically driven prediction disagrees with preconceived notions that people challenge not the method, but rather the messenger. Nate's very open about his methodology, and it's replicable. He's very open about how he get's his results and how he weights demonstrated biases based on actual performance. I'm not sure why someone would say his approach hasn't been tested, he started this in 2007, and predicted 49 out of 50 states correctly, missing Indiana, and was 35 for 35 in predicting Senate races.
I know this won't stop attacks, it's very difficult for people to adjust their preconceived notions when faced with evidence to the contrary, but we'll see what happens next week.
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